Why I despise strip clubs

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Our society deplores racism, homophobia and all similar evils. This is why to me, the ongoing, un-argued, and totally accepted existence of strip clubs is utterly mad. Places in which women stand on tables, or stages and take of their clothes while men watch? I cannot believe no move has been made against these places, and that normal, rational people condone their existence.

After all, we claim to be a society that does not exploit women. Let’s take a look at history – from time immemorial, women have been exploited. Through disenfranchisement, subjugation, forced marriage, or by being objectified, or burnt at the stake for witchcraft – shall I go on?  Being a women throughout history has never been conducive to a peaceful or prosperous life. Yet strip clubs persist.

What is a strip club other than an ‘entertainment’ version of misogyny and sexism? You can tell it is indeed sexism as these places are full of women wearing little to nothing, with ludicrously high, tacky heels. These decisions are made by men. This is what men want to see. This is the male fantasy. No strong woman in ‘control of her destiny’ would ever choose to appear like this in public. So let’s be honest here, strong, in control women do not work at strip clubs. End of story.

You hear these ludicrous tales, of strippers saying how they’re putting themselves through medical school by stripping, making it sound virtuous, empowering, in control. But think about it, if woman are having to strip to put themselves through varsity, and their male counterparts are not, surely this is indicative of an enormous social problem.

Is anyone seriously suggesting, that these sort of places could indeed be called charitable educational institutions that allow women access to higher education? Presumably the same higher education that men can receive without having to strip off their clothes, and by doing so their dignity?

Look at the past and how women have been objectified, then tell me it is alright to turn that objectivity into a form of light entertainment for men.

If you still think its ok, I want you to imagine a scenario, whereby a white man starts a cleaning company, or car wash, where the only employees are blacks, who are decked out like slaves in rags and manacles, and made to act subservient, and grovelling to the clientele. Given the history of slavery, and the past subjugation of women, is this scenario ANY more reasonable and any more acceptable?


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The Source Tuesday, 17 November 2009

So how do you explain the success of the Chippendales????

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The Source Tuesday, 17 November 2009

[SGB] Did you read the article about the author of \'Memoirs of a Call Girl?\' Turns out she is now a scientist who worked in a brothel (at 300 pounds a throw) to pay for Varsity. Obviously works for some. . .

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sgb Tuesday, 17 November 2009

Look Source, if you\'d be happy for your little girl to take her clothes off to pay her school fees, thats your business. I certainly wouldn\'t and I don\'t agree with objectifying women under any circumstances.

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OS GIKEN Tuesday, 17 November 2009
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OS GIKEN Tuesday, 17 November 2009

I am glad you brought up the issues of slavery/apartheid becasue based on your reasoning it falls under the same light...I was going to attack you on that :p

Just like apartheid was a social problem it has consequences - black people are commiting more crime as opposed to white people because of the after effects of Apartheid - if I can remember you questioned this argument of mine. :roll

How can you say they make it sound virtuous, clearly you know little of the world we live in. I once heard lots of people say that you travel and read to become more open and exposed to the world, thus you apparently know more or you are more ahead of the times - clearly not. People actually live these lives you make out to be pittyfull. I won\'t let my daughter strip for money becasue I\'ll give her an education and money to not revert to that option.

In life you have options, whites had great ones in history as opposed to blacks, men has great options as opposed to woman, dogs have great options as opposed to bucks, cats have great options as opposed to fish.

In life, you take options given to you - and you make the most of it. Honestly, if I were to meet a stripper paying her way through college for a BETTER life other than taking her clothes off for other rich men - I\'d support her endeavour and try and help her out of her missery QUICKER!

You seem to think life is all roses - for some people it aint, people in Lebanon are getting food aid everyday of their lives while people in UAE are pissing Opus One rare champagne every hour...the world is tough, not everyone has your life. Based on our lives we tend to judge others according to OUR moral compass - some people would even say that you\'re a ****[Moderated by The Source] because you write for a living, who decided that THAT is honorable? Ye without sin cast that first stone - don\'t throw stones in a glass house, do I need to go on? :roll

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barrmar Tuesday, 17 November 2009

There are also events where a male stripper strips for a female audience. There are plenty of men that have to work their way through university - being male does not automatically endow one with money.
There are no end of people that will do almost anything for money, and there are plenty of men that would quite happily strip if they could make money doing it.
Somehow there is more demand for female strippers than male strippers.
Women don\'t seem to be that interested in watching men strip.
But, yes, you do have a point. The sex/porn industry is generally quite sick, exploitative and full of criminals getting thier share of the takings.

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AbortRetryFail Tuesday, 17 November 2009

One has to use one\'s assets to get ahead in life. The old adage \"if you got it, flaunt it\" works well here, especially if one gets paid to flaunt. Besides, the ladies get to exploit the basic nature of men by making guys pay to look so they\'re actually \"bad\" in taking advantage of the guys too.

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The Pianist Tuesday, 17 November 2009

Ok, here\'s a fair question. Let these little chicks strip and do what they like, but seriously, do we, the public have to be exposed to advertising by these clubs. You don\'t have Adult World putting up Dildo\'s ;) I don\'t want my baby brother looking at that advertising! Nor do i want him to see women used as objects.

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Dissol Tuesday, 17 November 2009

I am going to have to be very careful here, as I fear I am about to agree with you...again... :eek

What saddens me is that there is a market for this sort of sleaze; quite clearly there are enough people willing to pay money to be titillated in this fashion.

Yes, of course it is a legal avenue for some people, without other options to potentially better themselves. It is a sad world that we live in, but unfortuantely not all people have access to a good education to improve their circumstances. I am sure there are people who work in this industry, who have used their income for medical school, and the like. But I am also sure that they would be the exception and not the rule.

There may also be people who really want to work in this industry, as they enjoy taking their clothes off in front in public - it takes all sorts.

I believe in freedom of expression, so I would not want to see these sorts of places forcibly closed down. But I hope, that as a society we can move forward, and aim to ensure that everyone has a decent education, and better able to realise their potential without having to resort to these types of jobs. To me, the pathetic ones, are the people who are willing to pay up good money for this sort of entertainment. Yes, I have been to Teazers (as a guest to a party), and no, I did not enjoy it, and as I mentioned before the audience appeared to be mostly made up of characters who I would not choose to be associated with.

I have even been to really sordid places in my time - they are generally easy to find close to Army barracks...and I am not proud of that. But I accept that for some people, it may be one of the only ways for some people to legally (or close to legal, in some instances) to make money...sad...but true... :sigh

Maybe I just want society to grow up a bit, and I should accept that is a forlorn hope...
:zzz

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Koo Tuesday, 17 November 2009

It always blows my mind, that so called modern men, like all of you here - Source, OS, barrmar, Abort - are all totally ok with objectifying and exploiting women.

would it be ok to open a restaurant called Holocaust - with jewish waiters dressed as concentration camp victims, and the managers dresses as SS guards? Is it ever acceptable to make light of, or use for the purpose of entertainment, the exploitation of the past?

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Dissol Tuesday, 17 November 2009

But Dissol, why do women have to resort to this when their male counterparts don\'t? Whats wrong with waitressing? Taking out a student loan?

So many of these women end up abusing drugs and alcohol just to get themselves through the working day.

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AbortRetryFail Tuesday, 17 November 2009

I know I don\'t always make sense to others but in my universe I\'m always right...

using one\'s naturally-given assets/talents to make a living cannot be wrong or actors shouldn\'t be allowed to act, scientists to make discoveries, beautiful women not allowed to show their bodies...

Being paid for doing that is the perk/bonus for having said marketable attribute

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OS GIKEN Tuesday, 17 November 2009

Agreed with Abort...Kooo you are using your moral compass which is 100% right. you are right to object...You are however not right to assume Source will allow his daughter to do it, because i\'m certain he\'ll make sure she don\'t have to.

These people surely have no other choice...if they had do you think they would strip for my entertainment? And if they did...that\'s their concern, how they like to make money...not yours! Moral compass ppl! :)

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Koo Tuesday, 17 November 2009

But OS the whole point is, its not about having to or not. No one has to.

If there is nothing wrong with strip clubs, you would think there was nothing wrong with your wife or daughter making some money in one. Not out of necessity even, just for pocket money.

Surely it is far worse to exploit women who HAVE to, who are desperate?? You say they have no choice, but doesn\'t that make exploiting them SO much worse??

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AbortRetryFail Tuesday, 17 November 2009

Koo, it gets back to your own words then \"not about having to or not\" but a decision to want to... yes, they have a choice, work as a waitress for next to nothing or some other menial job like groceries packer maybe? or strip for money. If they have talents for something then yes they may rather do that than strip but some people are just born with looks maybe and no talent for doing work that pays decently. And of course, if they have no money to study then how are they supposed to learn skills usefull in non-stripping work?

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AbortRetryFail Tuesday, 17 November 2009

Abort, I\'m glad you are so comfortable with the exploitation of women. Your logic seems to suggest, that without money, the only option open to a woman wishing to study is stripping?

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Dissol Tuesday, 17 November 2009

hmmm So it would seem that many people think that it makes it right, if they have no other choice??? Which is clear exploitation... Shouldn\'t we be trying to give people more options. Just because they have no other choice does not make it right.

@ Koo. I ended up paying for both my university educational stints, so I did have to do all manner of jobs (waiter, bar-tender, bouncer, sheep shearer, relief milker, you name it), so I realise that when needs must sometimes you need to park your dignity for a while.

But by banning these places you will merely send them underground, and then the levels of exploitation will rise still further. Don\'t get me wrong, I really detest the places, and would be so happy if they all closed...due to lack of business...

I agree it is degrading to women, but in a country where our president sets the tone by having several wives, I fear we may be lonley voices for a while to come...

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Dissol Tuesday, 17 November 2009

Abort here, I\'m not for exploiting anyone. I for one don\'t go to strip clubs or pay women for anything of that nature. But I have friends who work as bartenders, waitresses, secretaries etc who can\'t even afford to buy take-aways once a month on their so-called salaries, even the ones that have TWO of these slave-jobs, which is what they are.
As for cost of living, they barely survive that way, how are they supposed to get further education?
The guys are diffirent as they can at least work as labourers but the ladies can\'t.

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james rond Tuesday, 17 November 2009

Reading through all this I can only come to 1 conclusion. Women use sex to get what they want. They use all kinds of excuses to justify what they do but the truth is that they exploit men for money.

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AbortRetryFail Tuesday, 17 November 2009

Agreed @ Dissol. This is happening too much lately :)

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AbortRetryFail Tuesday, 17 November 2009

James, was going to blog about that specific concept but I wouldn\'t survive the comments so maybe not. Or...why the heck not, watch the blog space

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james rond Tuesday, 17 November 2009

Doolally here. There wouldn\'t be strip clubs if there weren\'t women who would strip.
If I could make R500 a night I would do it too! it would be a way to give m kids what they need and not have them eat rice with nothing else. Unfortunately my body is to full of scars...

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The Pianist Tuesday, 17 November 2009

Oh James Rond... goodness... i\'m looking forward to getting into the ring with you

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AbortRetryFail Tuesday, 17 November 2009

OS GIKEN...ooh Doolaly, A brave decision indeed...now watch Koo and Co. judge you!... :)

@ Dissol, you are making the flawed mistake of comparing your sittuation to the supposed Stripper\'s...eish and you say I can\'t read.

Just because you could work in a bar and serve people lunch doesn\'t mean the supposed stripper can too???

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AbortRetryFail Tuesday, 17 November 2009

Abort... Think of all the hits you\'d get with your \"James, was going to blog about that specific concept but I wouldn\'t survive the comments so maybe not. Or...why the heck not, watch the blog space\"

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AbortRetryFail Tuesday, 17 November 2009

Working on that blog, just hate thinking about the \"death by angry blogger comments\" that\'s gonna be written on my blogging tombstone

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Dissol Tuesday, 17 November 2009

@ OS; I think I will keep to my claim that you do not read; that is NOT what I was saying at all. I said that as I had to do all manner of demeaning jobs to get through, I can understand why some women may choose to earn money in this way. But that still does not make it right. As I said I wish we could elevate ourselves as a society so that women (or anyone for that matter) do not have to demean themselves to get a decent education.

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